Are there particular ideas that you gravitate toward or that have influenced you? Especially in poetry, although the joys are when its not poetry. Americas struggle with itselfHas always had people like me at the heart of it. Both of those are equally romantic and equally problematic. But now theres digital or social media, which people like my daughter are very aware of. There are formal and rhetorical puzzles in nearly every one of Hayess poems. For decades, Oregon and Louisiana were the only states that allowed felony convictions by split jury votes. It was with a professor who was the first person to say to me, This is something you could do. He has passed away now, but he was a good friend. When you look at all of the MFA programs, very few offer alternatives other than looking for an academic job, but I say to folks all the time, It is not your only option.. Im not saying its confessional, but it gives more texture to your work if you can figure out how not to close off those rooms. In the lines from Howl that, I suspect, Hayes has in mind, you can see how blackness is used as a prop. Assassin, you are a mystery/To me, I say to my reflection sometimes, Hayes writes, acknowledging the part anyone plays in his own existential undoing. But countless defendants in Oregon have been convicted by a nonunanimous jury since the 1934 law was enacted and received their final judgment which means their cases and sentences were final. It could be an enormous one, or it could just be a small table. But I dont want to be tied to one adjective. So I feel like, if Im going to make a meal, were going to sit down at the table and eat it together. What's going on here? The material on this site may not be reproduced, distributed, transmitted, cached or otherwise used, except with the prior written permission of Advance Local. He freelances inside a form he calls part music box, part meat grinder, fashioning a diary of survival during a period when black men are in constant danger. I would do what everyone else does. My legacy is still in an upward arc of poems, so people can say, I didnt know he was going to do that. What do you think universities can do? TAYLOR: And then there's these other moments where it's really unclear who he's talking to. [7] He won the National Book Award for Lighthead[1] (in which he invented the "golden shovel" poetic form). [1] These cases returned to the county level, where district attorneys could decide whether to retry or take some other action. My whole life journey is pretty much to get back to my people, Jackson said. Tara McEvoy, right, whose review of Terrance Hayes's American Sonnets for My Past and Future Assassin won third place in the 2019 Burgess award for arts journalism, with Observer editor Paul . My default answer to just about everything in the world is, Man, Im just going to go write a poem. When things get rough, whether its grading student papers or paying the bills or a fight with my wife, my default answer is to write a poem and just forget about all of it. Maybe youll try this? And maybe well generate poems that arent done or finished, but at least weve made something new. Hendrix, his blues pedigree whitewashed by hippie culture, is a powerful figure of passionate ambivalence, unsure how to dance in a way that is both black and not black. The alphabet, like the sonnet, necessitates at least some shaping and pruning. To revisit this article, select My Account, thenView saved stories, To revisit this article, visit My Profile, then View saved stories. Terrance Hayes is a contemporary American poet born in 1971. He fears a more immediate kind of danger, which cant be aestheticized or glorified in verse. Do you see paintings as a puzzle? "Hayes's fourth book puts. I was just at one on page 37, and it ends in the middle of an interstate rest stop parking lot. Probably the dark blue skin, Of a black man matches the dark blue skin. I dont think Ashbery thinks that. I have to trust my own perception as opposed to waiting for someone to tell you how to fix it, which is what happens in an MFA program. JW: I like the essays more than the fiction. I was excited for folks, but I understood there was gonna be people like me who would ask for relief and have to fight to get it, Hayes said. out of the ring of fire around. Could you do community workshops? Its the right thing to do; we shouldnt wait for a court ruling to do this, association legislative director Mae Lee Browning told The Oregonian/OregonLive. Since graduate school, Hayes has published a steady stream of books, beginning with Muscular Music (Tia Chucha Press, 1999; reprint Carnegie Mellon University Press, 2006); Hip Logic (Penguin, 2002), selected for the National Poetry Series; Wind in a Box (Penguin, 2006); Lighthead (Penguin, 2010), which won a National Book Award; How to Draw (Penguin, 2015); and the forthcoming American Sonnets for My Past and Future Assassin (Penguin, 2018). Hayes shares what he's learned about the VFW since starting his new position. TH: Thats a great question. The defendant can claim a constitutional violation occurred during the trial in this case, Jackson and his attorney would argue Ramos applies to him, which could grant him a retrial. in their lockers & hustle to the windows to stare. It was my first time hearing it. For this latest collection, he made one big choice at the outset: all the sonnets share the same title, American Sonnet for My Past and Future Assassin. This repetition is superstitious, a tribute paid to the imagined assassin, as if the poems can buy back time in fourteen-line reprieves. In Multnomah County, where Blacks are 6% of the population, they represent 45.3% of petitioners. None of those were affected by the Ramos decision. The standard bohemian listeners are like the angelheaded hipsters in Allen Ginsbergs Howl. They dream of melodramatic self-destructionjumping/Through windowswhile the culture around them works to extinguish black artistry. Are existential jambalaya. Probably all my encounters. Im always torn between the dilemma of saying there has to be something worthwhile to someone other than myself, even though I can get pretty far just eating what I make for myself and having no one else at the table. It can synthesize historical knowledge and research and contextualize those things, because its happening right now. I am interested in whether youll like it or not, but if you say, I like your steak but dont like the beans, all right, eat the steak, and dont eat the beans. To go back to your point about the later books, in Lighthead, the first poem begins with a line, I could never get the hang of Time, and the epigraph is a Borges quote from A New Refutation of Time. At some point I realized, even more than fatherhood, even more than parents, even more than race, the thing Im really obsessed with is measuring time. JW: There are more than four hundred creative writing programs in the United States. These crisis conditions suit Hayes. How can I make my students better equipped as writers or readers or whatever? NPR's Ari Shapiro speaks with poetry reviewer, Tess Taylor about Terrance Hayes' new collection American Sonnets for my Past and Future Assassin. People can come and sit around and talk about work. Like, sometimes he says something as mysterious as, (reading) assassin, you are a mystery to me, I say to my reflection sometimes. Every time Im flying out of Pittsburgh, I see your picture in the airport, with Pitt advertising, Come study with a genius. How do you feel about your position? That gets back to transparency. Critics argued these laws are a relic from a racist past that marginalize minority jurors. On the one hand, it seems like your career was accidental. Because Oregon is 76% white and 2% Black, according to U.S. Census figures, critics say its rare to see more than one or two black jurors assigned to any jury. JW: When you went to Coker College, you went for visual arts. Hayes, 49, won the National Book Award in 2010 for his book of poems titled "Lighthead" and was a finalist twice more in 2015 and 2018. Thats what I find interesting, and to have that wall stops it. So for someone to say this is your audience and you have to give people the thing theyll really eat, Im saying you dont know what peoples capacity is. Trending. This figure of something violent keeps moving around this collection, and it doesn't stick to any one thing. Jackson was still in prison when he heard about the Supreme Court ruling. Ive been talking for a year about this poem that I started in 2009, and in 2013 I printed it out and it was 244 pages. How would you characterize your writing? You aint allowed to derideWomen when youve never wept in front of a womanThat wasnt your mother. In your most recent work, in books like How to be Drawn, you have poems like Gentle Measures where youre figuring yourself out and thinking about fatherhood. Since then, he's won a huge number of literary prizes, including a MacArthur Foundation fellowship. I learned this stuff in college, and it has become one way for me to understand what metaphor is. I wouldnt limit it there: I would say, yes, Im African-American; yes, Im Southern; yes, Im male; yes, Im hip-hop; yes, Im neurotic; yes, Im a bastard poet. JW: Is there a tension between form or aesthetic value and identity? Id already read their books, but now I had somebody to talk to. TH: Id majored in fine arts, and Id been encouraged as a painter for a long time, since third grade when I started in the art club, so I always thought that was something I could do. So suddenly, it's as if he himself is the assassin. In her statement announcing she had filed a brief in the Ramos case, she cited the practical consequences that could result from overturning cases. SHAPIRO: And the fact that he refers to my past and future assassin suggests that this is something perpetual in America that won't go away. Probably twilight makes blackness dangerous. I think a novelist has to be a strategist of sorts and think this is the general structure Im working out. That informs my teaching, too, and that could be a problem for an MFA student or a young poet who wants a strategy and says, Tell me how to become a successful writer. Id say, I believe in experimenting, and some experiments succeed, and some fail.. Even if you cant see underneath all of it, I know that theres a face of a boy and that Ive built it up. The names alive are like the names, In graves. I have a friend whos a critic, and he said that my work was an anthem to ambivalence. You find that out especially as a teacher. Is it also a little gimmicky (ph)? I dont know how many people know this, but I was on ESPN for the National Scholastic Indoor Track and Field Championships. I thought, Wow, a poem a week? Even now, I really dont show people stuff when Im working on it. Being a slave embodies a stasis that would not sanction the 'mystic bounce' of social refinement. When Id go home, all they said was, Why are you still going to school? And I would say, Youre not paying for it. Most of the time, I was going to leave. Thelonious Monk says there is no failure, theres only rehearsal and practice. On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. The thing that limits people sometimes is that, at a certain age, they start to say, This is what I do.. Dave Killen/The OregonianThe Oregonian. In basketball, I was fine. In your first book, Muscular Music, you play with popular culture, but theres a stronger sense of self in your last two books. Which is really lucky. Im not doing enough as an individual if Im not seeking out new experiences, new people, being challenged, being honest with who I am, or my poems are going to be stuck. TAYLOR: Well, again, it's interesting in that poem that I just read where he says, assassin, you are a mystery to me, I say to my reflection sometimes. The New Yorker may earn a portion of sales from products that are purchased through our site as part of our Affiliate Partnerships with retailers. I dont work like that, and I dont think thats the best way to open up ones creativity, so Im telling them that Ive gotten here by just keeping my nose an inch from the page. I dont want there to be a great distance between me as an individual walking down the street and in the poems, because they feed each other, and one illuminates the other. It gives me a way to not be limited. Follow your nose , he says. Maybe I can, but I need to try that. TH: Yeah, but its not always just my imagination. The other thing is what the pronoun I does in my poemsis it a confessional I, an intellectual I? My father would say, Youre going to go to collegeyoure smart. But they didnt have any savings. If youre just trying to make art, nobody has to buy what you do, and the world doesnt need it, so I try to tell them to relax. By signing up, you agree to our User Agreement and Privacy Policy & Cookie Statement. They sometimes say, Theres all this new work, and youre still trying to make us read these old white dudes from the canon. Last year at Yale, some students protested, saying, Why do we have to read all these white guys? Williams in late February moved to have convictions overturned for 22 people convicted of felonies by nonunanimous juries, and he has plans to review hundreds more. All my flaws and quirks and neuroses, they fit just as well as the scarring that comes from racism or masculinity, and I dont want to have to cut that off. Terrance Hayes Reads American Sonnet for My Past and Future Assassin. So I just accepted that. Born in Columbia, South Carolina, Terrance Hayes earned a BA at Coker College and an MFA at the University of Pittsburgh. There never was a black male hysteria, a poem about Emmett Till begins, because a fret of white men drove you crazy/Or a clutch of goons drove you through Money,/Stole your money, paid you money, stole it again. In Money, Mississippi, where Till was lynched, Hayes finds in miniature the economic formula that has been scaled up successfully across America: black men are paid with money stolen from their ancestors, only to have it again taken away from them. My sense is that the synthesis is what the university can do. Allen Grossman said, when people ask, What are your poems about? he says, Poetry, the subject is always poetry. I find that to be very useful as a maker of poems, even though thats frustrating for readers. You told me another time that, when you were growing up, you didnt know if youd become a corrections officer like your mother or go into the military like your stepfather, but you came to poetry while you were in college. Its still an open-ended process. Terrence Hayes was 19 when he shot a man in the leg in 2004. NPR transcripts are created on a rush deadline by an NPR contractor. That goes back to transparency. Thats manifested in the pecha kucha poems in Lighthead: theyre not measurements of meter; theyre measurements of time. They want Rosenblum to give them that chance. So I didnt want to have to pay anything, and because of my background, I had no sense that people went to college if they didnt have their own money. TAYLOR: Yeah, that raise questions. Some of them want that, but they dont know what it looks like or know enough about the template for becoming a successful writer, so they wind up writing really interesting things all the time. to see him on the basketball court. June 25, 2018. Hayes lives in Manhattan, and he and his ex-wife, the poet Yona Harvey, a professor at the University of Pittsburgh, share the custody of their two children. Ive always tried to stay very focused in terms of what I need to write. As of late January, 201 people with public defenders in Oregon had filed for post-conviction relief, and 50 of them are in Multnomah County, according to data gathered by the Criminal Justice Reform Clinic. Im going to eat it the same. I like the poem where you play off the line Thank you for your service.. TH: Me too, because theres too much affect in the fiction. Terrance Hayes explicates, "If you subtract the minor losses,/you can return to your childhood too:/the blackboard chalked with crosses." The 'minor losses' signify Terrance's childhood, heartening innocence. Some of the resources available to me now allow me to put myself in new situations, but that has never been my ambition. Id rather take a year to figure it out than have you tell me in five minutes whats wrong with it. What I would say to him is that I was just trying to build up a surface. I dont think about everybody that looks the same; I dont know who those people are, but Im going to feed them. I always thought I wasnt that much different from anybody else. Are existential jambalaya. Hayess talkative poems are, in fact, a form of thinking, fuelled by opposing impulses and contradictory ideas. JW: Youve had plenty of critics comment on your work, but if you said there was a quality that it has, what would it be? Its powerful because its not an invective so much as a diagnosis. I couldnt do Division I, because I would have been a guard, and because Ive been this tall since I was fifteen, Ive always played inside, so I never really learned how to handle the ball. Hayess direct inspiration is the L.A. poet Wanda Coleman, who died in 2013 and who coined the term American sonnet. Coleman adapted the sonnet to the jazz methods of, as she put it, progression, improvisation, mimicry, etc. Hayess style is warier than Colemans. In seventy sonnets written after Trump's election, Hayes manages boundless anxiety with formal innovation. I used to do it, but it was taking up too many of my words.) Whether they will be able to change that depends on one unanswered question: Does the Supreme Courts decision apply retroactively to past cases? Sometimes he uses sonnets to stump the reader: This word can be the difference between knowing/And thinking. (Nonfiction writers maybe do, but they are a prisoner to it.) whether the poem speaks of #devastation or #hope whether it happens #before or #after I didnt really know any college graduates other than my teachers. I feel like this is true in the poetry process. I would not want to do thatalthough maybe I will when Im eighty. And yet: You would be more beautiful without your fear.. I think thats a working-class outlook: if it didnt look like it was for me, if I felt in the workshop the way I felt in the barber shop, I could just go home and work. 2023 Cond Nast. So an experimental workshop asks, Why were you trying to do this? Thats great! But I still want to see him be somebody else. Im not asking to get rid of Bach and Beethoven and only to listen to this knucklehead from Atlanta. TH: Its true, I do like OHara, I like Berrigan, and I actually like Ashbery, too. Ishion Hutchinson, Post-Postcolonial Poet. I knew that was my only course of action, Jackson said. In his five books, he has perfected a sort of poem where wild jams carom inside arbitrary formal boundaries. You've got the music. TH: Support the Troops! The poet I mentioned who said you have to choose a side, its not like I disagree, its just, why would I rush? I like the texture of it, so the only way to get to that is to keep painting stuff and erasing it, and painting on top of it and struggling with it so the layers would be hidden. The Politics and Play of Terrance Hayes. There are definitely 14 lines per poem, so that's that sonnet form that you may or may not remember from your 10th grade English class. Are those our only options? I mean, I can't actually remember another book that does this, where every single poem has the same title for an entire collection. TH: Yesand many other things. Sometimes it seems like the New York School, but at other times, its very different. TH: The thing that I appreciate with an undergrad is the freedom of writing and not connecting that to professional aspirations. In January, Jackson was granted early release by Gov. It gets into the art for arts sake versus social purpose argument, but I think the real purpose is who do you want at the table with you? You have to be adaptable. Presiding Judge Ellen Rosenblum sentenced him to more than 12 years in prison. TH: I dont know how negative that is. It goes on - really specific, really concrete. JW: I can see that in your poems. When I worked on it, after not having looked at it for two years, I decided it was still bad, and I was cool with that. My approach to life and my work is not strategy. (Im one of the few people I know of in my cohort that doesnt do social media. Terrance Hayes is one of the most celebrated poets of his generation. Its like James Joyce and Molly Bloom and a fifty-page sentenceJames Joyce really fucked some commas up. Here, cradled amid his wall of books and self-drawn canvases, he shuts down the noise of a thousand thoughts and goes into the quiet of listening to . JW: One downside with the glut of information now is that theres no stable core of references. Poetry is the end for me. Created by Grove Atlantic and Electric Literature, My grandfather was a war veteran; my dad was in the army; my brother was in the army. Why do we have to read Shakespeare? I know because an article came back to me that said, You should read Shakespeare and Terrance Hayes. I agree with that, and I dont see why it cant be both. previous 1 2 next . From the Spring 2018 issue of The Iowa Review. SHAPIRO: Tess Taylor sharing Terrance Hayes's new collection called "American Sonnets From My Past And Future Assassin." On the other hand, its romantic to assume that youre going to be poor. If other people are eating it, thats fine, but this is your job. The Still in Prison campaign is working to raise public awareness about the impact of Oregons law. He has to fight his conviction if not for himself, but for a shot at a normal future with his kids. How can I be a better teacher? The joke in my classes and in my household is that I am always timing and measuring everything. So when my mother saw my earliest poems in the first book, she was like, Oh, it was just your imagination.. It seems like, at midcentury, whatever limitations they had, they had a common idea of literature, which probably valued highbrow modernism, whereas now its much more disparate and up for grabs. Thats the Stephen King end of things. In fact, I tried to do that, all the contemporary poetry books and the books on the Pitt Press, because I assumed that everybody else had. Some of the older teachers crowd in the doorway like befuddled geese. The idea that language in and of itself is a material or communicates sound that is a materialthat interests me. But I want it to yield something for my primary concerns: teaching and writing poetry. Every time I tried to bring it up with my friends, they were like, Man, what are you talking about? I didnt expect everyone to want to talk to me about it. Depending on what space Im in, depending on what kind of water Im in, people see me in very different ways. Ad Choices. It's like he's made these sonnets to try to contain something uncontainable. To avoid confusion across jurisdictions in Oregon, post-conviction relief proceedings should be consistent across the state to avoid confusion and future litigation.. Thats a nightmare for me. Could you get a job for a company using your skills with language? . TH: Im interested in identity, but theres another circle thats closer to the self, and thats personality. Race might be part of my identity, but its not the only thing thats there. He envies poets who have the luxury of wandering into all corners of American life. Photograph by Gabriele Stabile for The New Yorker, The New Yorker Interview with David Remnick, American Sonnets for My Past and Future Assassin. Who those people are, I dont really think too much about that. Terrance Hayes, Hip Logic, Penguin Books, 2002. If I see something is wrong, I will say its wrong. The "Racket of ascension" is emblematic of the social progress that results in the upgrading of one's social rank. I want us to enjoy a meal together, and I cant say its only for me, even though there is a part of meand this is what I like about Ashberythat says, if you dont like it, thats your problem. My point about the academic is not about high or low, its just that theres outside information. So in the last year or two, I did take pictures of the paintings going through these various stages. Terrance Hayes is probably the most innovative poet addressing the complexities of race in America today. TAYLOR: The sonnets themselves have all of these different contents within them, but he's basically pointing to the force of American racial violence and sort of how repetitive it is. Its been less than two months since Jackson came home, but hes not wasting any time. Im not sure how to hold my face when I dance, he writes: In an expression of determination or euphoria?. Even if the U.S. Supreme Court rules against retroactivity, however, that wont bind Oregon courts, Kaplan said. As of late February, the Oregon Attorney Generals office has conceded or partially conceded 340 of those cases. TH: The other side would be the question of failure. TH: Gentle Measures almost went into Lighthead, but I just didnt have it finished. [9], In praising Hayes's work, Cornelius Eady has said: "First you'll marvel at his skill, his near-perfect pitch, his disarming humor, his brilliant turns of phrase. But Hayes isnt describing canonical melancholy, the pined-for vision of mortality that poets sometimes indulge in. She has an opportunity to do right by it, and she hasnt.. Baraka would say your obligation is to feed black people. Its not like you could move something out just because it happens to not look like you. In his poems, in which he occasionally invents formal constraints, Hayes considers themes of popular culture, race, music, and masculinity. The reason I used them is because I could get a big box of tiles for like five dollars. My attitude is to split the difference. So I would hope that in my forties I would be different, more interesting, and know moreand probably be more ambivalentthan I was in my twenties. He calls his mother every morning. 2023 Advance Local Media LLC. He is currently distinguished professor of English at the University of Pittsburgh and also distinguished visiting writer at New York University. I smile at Ronald's poster, perpetual grin behind the pissed-off, fly-girl cashier I love. Its like your grandfather worked every day at the mill, but you never knew what his favorite color was, or what cruel thing his mother said to him when he was ten years old. The you, now & then of the last line is, I take it, the reader and also the assassin. Almost everywhere in this country every day. On the other side, a graduate student is so close to the professional world that they cant help but have those things influence them. You can read Toni Morrison and still read Shakespeare. There are people who have achieved more than I have, like Nobel laureates in literature, but still, theres no guarantee. All rights reserved. Probably twilight makes blackness dangerous. TH: Or I might have become a high school English teacher. Every poem is a sonnet, and every sonnet is titled: "American Sonnet for my Past and Future Assassin.". And his answer is its just language, its just poetry. [2], Hayes was born in Columbia, South Carolina. Or am I going to break a line here? Why only Shakespeare, when theres this other stuff thats happening? [10], In January 2017, Hayes was elected a Chancellor of the Academy of American Poets. Terrance Hayes segregate On the first morning of school there is a young tree- frog waiting patiently at the front gate. Hes still on post-prison supervision. JW: College was pivotal for you, and you work in a university. JW: Like the poem about her pulling a gun on you, Late? Born in Columbia, South Carolina, Terrance Hayes earned a BA at Coker College and an MFA at the University of Pittsburgh. I didnt write a lot of poems as an undergrad, but I was always working on them. He was the type of professor whose house youd visit, and all my family had met him before he passed. It might take years before the Oregon State Supreme Court takes on a case that has made its way through the often lengthy appeals process so it can issue a judgment on the retroactive application of Ramos. American Sonnets for My Past and Future Assassin, "Pittsburgh poet Terrance Hayes named MacArthur Fellow", "Briefing Books: Lauded poet Terrance Hayes heads to Pitt", The End of the Line: Terrance Hayes and Formal Innovation, "John Simom Guggenheim Memorial Foundation >2009 Fellow in Creative Arts - Poetry > Terrance Hayes Bio", "MacArthur Awards Go to 21 Diverse Fellows", "The Politics and Play of Terrance Hayes", "United States Artists Official Website Terrance Hayes", Profile and poems of Terrance Hayes, including audio files. 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