So, even if youre six months older than me, you get my respect. The two cents that I'd add is that we aren't necessarily mean but rather we were raised to be thick skinned and outspoken. You have judged Jamaican culture through what I assume is American lenses, but our culture is much richer and much deeper than your surface-deep analogy. Ruth: I mean, its generally younger people who do it. It was very enlightening. In Ghana when somebody dies, theres an entire protocol that goes around with announcing that the person has died. A few people eat Ackee, not many people know it, but it grows all over the place. Re: Ghanians Why Do U Pretend To Hate Nigerians, And Ethiopians Love Us? Ruth: Yes. But once you get it, youre there. Yuh si dem (You see them) picking from a tree and just eat it. Hello Marie! Their dislike for Nigerians did not start todayy. Xavier: All right. What can you accomplish by not having a conversation that might solve problems? 1. I know thats bizarre for Americans and most other nationalities because America is a White Patriarchy. But, I can assure you, if you ask anyone in the world who youve just described, they would tell you: AN AMERICAN. WebJamaicans hate utility bills especially for water and light (electricity). The UK does not count as "farrin". This is rapidly changing, but not fast enough. Theyll tell you you cant take critisim and a second later youll give constructive critisim and theyll get defensive then turn it around on you and attack. This person who had negative experiences, I wonder if shes from a northern European background, because I know I need to keep my eyebrows from moving around them. You are correct that there is a lot of pride in our culture, which is why the lion is such a big symbol in Jamaica. Most foreigners are more on the placating or diplomatic side. I could definitely see what Marty was saying. Ruth: Who has the best Jollof rice? Why didnt they bow down and be normal? The Top 13 Jamaican Recipes People in America Were Jamaican Blue Mountain Coffee Ice Cream Recipe, Tips on Cooking with Scotch Bonnet Pepper, Jamaican Rum Cream Recipe: Kerri-Anns Kravings. Im not the one on someone elses website wailing and complaining. Its time for you to come back, but in the meantime, hope springs eternal. All rights reserved. Before you criticize Bajans and say oh they hate Jamaicans you might need to get your historical facts correct. I would tell you the truth straight up. Because historically were so linked to Ghana. I think thats what they have in common and thats whats very similar to Jamaica. What Ive noticed more is that yes they are blunt and straightforward for the most part and aggressive which is fine but it tends to be biased straightforwardness. So even though Jamaicans might look at seh, bwoy dem mek dem clothes tight eeh, (say, boy they make their clothes tight huh) because they do make their clothes tight here, to show their form, to show their body. Its almost like walking through a historic city. Put more simply, we are not a culture that beats around the bush and we dislike people who do. Oh okay. And you think, you interpret commit commitment to it. No, Im not saying were going to kill you if you say the wrong thing. They might tell someone their question is dumb but go on to ask an even dumber question but dont dare try to tell them theirs was dumb. Okay. Ghana is not going to be delivered to you on a plate like that. Theres a lot of reverence for the passing of time. And here in Ghana, its like everything is linked to some tradition. We were taught that any mad/crazy slave or any slave who could not take instructions, were shipped off to Jamaica. And it was emotional. You will need a sense of humor. Were still very conservative in Jamaica, for the most part. I currently live in Mexico and the Mexicans I know have also made a keen observation and distinction between African Americans and the West Indians they know, myself included. I know that when I first came here, I should have written a lot more because I knew some of it would become very same old, same old. . And really people do believe, for everything there is a season. Its almost biblical. What did they do? I would say the total Ghanaian experience is to climb the stairs above a market area and just watch how people move. Peace out. Maybe you should, but half the time were just playing around. I just sat there and just took in my surroundings, just like you said. Unfortunately, when honesty meets the innate expressiveness of patois, people (mis)interpret it for unkindness. WebTHE TRUTH IS, we were taught to hate JAMAICANS. Britt The Beauty (@Britt__Da__Shit) March 8, 2020. It is rather a major deficit in our socialization process. But if your parents always told you that you have to chew your food and that you must swallow chewing gum, its a very hard concept to get with. Theyre not used to that here at all. And with me today is Ruth Qwaqwa from Ghana, a Jamaican who is living there. Maybe its not the race, but the nationality and the culture that comes with it? Were, again, you know, I think in some places the Nigerians, they seem like the type that will tell you like it is. This conservation effort always seems to get deflated when the water and light bill comes each month. Oh yeah Im French-Canadian. Why are they so outspoken and demand the freedom to speak? I love Nigerians, I dont just know, seriously Ghanians should stop the hatings, when they come over the internet, they pretend to hate us, but when they see an advert of work from a nigerian home abroad, they will be the first to rush to call over the phone that they need the job. Ruth: But yes. Maybe a little bit more, I dont know, but it wasnt too far. Nairaland Forum / Nairaland / General / Culture / Ghanians Why Do U Pretend To Hate Nigerians, And Ethiopians Love Us? On Tuesday, the health ministry signed an agreement to introduce an electronic health records system that has long been touted, TRUTH IS, Bajans and Trinis are not going to let up, so its up to you Jama. Remember to share this article on Facebook and other Social Media Platforms. That my passport is expired. Ruth: Another thing is, and where we run into this all the time is, if a plumber comes to the house and they say, Boy, you can fix this pipe? Yes, man. Some will go as far as find a reason why the murder of Haitians is justifiable. I was only there practically a day and a half, two days. Mi nuh (I dont) get there yet. Chances are, you assumed they were arguing. The people who do eat it, eat it like a fruit. 10 Items A Barrel Shipped to Jamaica from Foreign 6 Phrases Jamaican Men Say When Theyre Really 7 Interesting facts about the Irish Influence in How Much do you Know About These 7 Amazing Leaf of 20 Dishes to Try When Visiting the Caribbean. WebJamaicans are all hustlers. The Chieftaincy System runs alongside the Government System the one that were used to, but they both have quite a You know, even the Chieftaincy System has a significant amount of power. This conservation effort always How Jamaican Men Say Thank You to another Jamaican How Jamaicans Greet You When They Have Not Seen You 20 English Words That Sound Better In Jamaican Patois. We really do. Canadians are not as bossy and the Commonwealth ties sometimes makes it easier for us to catch the dry humour. Call them what you might, but they were not getting on their knees! As I tell everybody, youre free to crack jokes with the people around you in both of these countries. So my tendency if someone was yelling at me would be to yell back why are you such an a88hole today?!! This is seen in our language and interactions like e.g., you're laughing and then slap the nearest person. And now I couldn't get a new bank card. What people dont realize is that the open market is what is used by the majority of people here. But, I can definitely see how the French can be more passionate then the northerners are used to. We own it. I read the comments made by anonymous about the bullying and rudeness and I cant help but wonder if that person didnt fully grasp cultural differences. Completely different experiences, completely. But to others, it isn't. A distinction exists between Jamaican English and Jamaican Patois (or Creole), though not entirely a sharp distinction so much as a gradual continuum between two extremes. So, our Jamaican belief is truth, at all costs. Sometimes English just wont do and Ghanaians like to invent their own, more practical words and phrases. It is an offense that can start an angry mob. Xavier: You need to visit. Yes, there is nothing like patties here. You can find, Lets think. And there is big emphasis and focus on peoples external identity and value. Xavier: I can tell you this, Ghana is at the top of my list, and I will be back. The irony of this is that, we are always the first to cite the iniquities of others and their countries without a room for us to accept our own. Reprisal killings make up a significant portion of our murder rate in Jamaica. I guess I can see how people with less sense could simplify it to that. A teacher walks into the Classroom and says If only Yesterday was Tomorrow Today would have been a Saturday Which Day did the Teacher make this Statement? The annoyance of a person and going on about them or off at them can be so intriguing to watch as the person freaking out is also usually guilty of the same offenses. When you treat people nice them tek disadvantage of you. daphne's daughter (@DeniseWhorms) March 7, 2020, I dont think jamaicans are necessarily mean. And because Im coming from Ghana Im waiting for that to be thoroughly jazzed up, rocking left, right and center. Jamaicans are not mean. So when you go abroad and even when, you know, I travel abroad you get this, whats your funniest moment when someone discovered, you know, a Ghanaian discovered that you were Jamaican. Copyright Simbis Inc.All rights reserved. Meanwhile, when I lived in Georgia, there were African Americans protesting at universities that affirmative action shouldnt be open to other non-White races/ethnicities and that Black people from other countries shouldnt have access either. Cultures can vary so widely and be so nuanced, it is fascinating to me. Men being very bossy to women, using them, cheating. Kind of like the consistency of chewing gum, but its hard to imagine a lot of chewing gum. So, let me give for the foreigner, for the Jamaican coming to Ghana, maybe you start with Jollof Rice, which Ghanaians and Nigerians always fighting over Jollof Rice. U hate jamicans.ok. Why u hate them,talk make we hear you?. Hes Ghanaian, so just like me, he spent all his schooling years in Ghana, and then went to the US to University. You have the chief, you have people who report to the chief, et cetera, and so Ghana tends to be hierarchical across many fronts. That whole concept, I think, is a Western concept. Jamaicans are moreto the point. You show them their weaknesses. If you can't handle the truth don't ask a Jamaican because we tell you like it is. I just wanted the chance to get back at her. I know some very nice jamaicans but if you date a jamaican man especially who grew up poor and had to be even harder. Ruth: You just to absorb it. Its usually a symptom of a fragile ego which is understandable because the culture is also very egotistical and ego is seen as mainly positive to them. Much of the hype of hatred of any form is Ruth: The flip side of that means that theres limited ability to challenge in the way that were used to in Jamaica. 93Disclaimer: Every Nairaland member is solely responsible for anything that he/she posts or uploads on Nairaland. Yes. A means set to keep Africans apart in the diaspora. So, we are much more Wiziwig. Largest Collection Of Vintage Igbo Images [Blog]. If I hadnt met him, I dont know when I would have come, but I came because of him and I found all of this, which surprised me. It's not mean it's just that we have no time to pamper and sugar coat to save people's feelings. Here are our picks for the top 5 things Jamaicans hate. So, much like we talk about Patois being or soul or heart language. Dont do this whole kind of bwoy (boy) mi (I) just going up and No. Yes, once we made it home. We ate, you know, we went up, they had these trees that you that-. Final question. By the time you come, well link up with Jam-rock restaurant and theyll throw down a few musicians and we will just have a good time. One of the most interesting things Ive noticed is that foreigners who spend a lot of time around Jamaicans are genuinely confused by the question, Why are Jamaicans so mean? The thought never crossed their minds. I stood and see more than one person get bloodied for some simple thing. We are not a racist society, but a classist one. Xavier: Well, thats very interesting because youre seeing some of the similarities. They say American hate waiting on the phone for Customer Service. Why up to this very day are Jamaicans still considered aggressive,criminals and unduly outspoken? I don't think we're mean, but we're very direct for sure. . But in traditional Ghana, our children wouldnt even inherit from him. Even while enjoying social time, non-Jamaicans often mistake our loud conversations for fights. In most countries gecko lizards are viewed as harmless creatures that do not attack and in some cases kept as pets. (4420 Views), Somalis, Ethiopians, Eritreans Are Superior / There's Something About Us Nigerians. So I like it with peanut soup, with groundnut soup. So, Ive lived overseas off and on quite a bit. Xavier: You know, I saw you when I got there. So when youre in Ghana, you see Jamaica much more than you would see Jamaica in South Africa, even though they both feel homey. Ruth: There you go. I wont. But theres still a bit of it left in me and I still see it through new eyes day. So theres a whole old school, what we consider to be an old school conversation around that. Apparently, some Africans perceive Jamaicans as rude and think Xavier: Well listen, Ruth, I appreciate you taking time out of your busy day to tell us about Ghana. Ruth: So theres the obvious, which is the castle, which is where the last, you know, one of the castles, which was the last point for enslaved people. Just try not to catch us on a bad day, eh? Unregistered Wedding Ring (@askanonpro) March 7, 2020. It depends on your experience and identity. Despite all the challenges I asked him why, and he said it was because other Jamaican-Americans he knew influenced him (2) (3) (4), Edo South Is Bigger Than The Whole Of Yorubaland All Toghether (excluding Lagos) / Is "Lady Koi Koi" Real Or Just A Myth Story? And of course I miss family because were far, and I wish we had a direct flight, what can I say. Why unnuh cyaah be gentle and sweet like sugar and cream? The same issues go for African American where they were made to feel discouraged about people of the islands and also Africa-that they differ. You are an affront to other islands Jamaica! If you would like to evacuate a room of Jamaicans quickly, scream croaking lizard. Youll miss how powerful women are because women run the markets, thats their business, and you can be a millionaire on the market. Is Anyone Taking American Politics Seriously Anymore? Ruth: Part two, yes. Thats on you once more. Thank you for your support. Mller and Schwarz (2021) find that the posting. Ruth: Yes. Utility Bills JPS too tief, mi nuh use so much currant No. I have immigrant friends from all around the world and that is precisely how we view America and its people. Were kind of like the Nigerians. Once people realized there was a cat in the bag, they had so many questions and wanted to meet him. Most of us speak patois, which is an aggressive language, like German. We like to yell at each other, but were just joking around. Plus we really don't like when people ask, what we would consider a stupid question and our irritation comes out in our response. MOST racist people do not know that they are racists but simply just think and find a reason to dislike. Its not your place to say who died. Seek therapy. As one tweep explained, we have a short temper and an even shorter supply of patience. I think the experience in Ghana is much more Which one is it? We wont even get into the comments made when we chose not to support that Shacari girl after she disrespected one of our Jamaican athletes. We are just not as sensitive as everyone else. You didnt spend long enough. Xavier: So, are you saying theyre a little like us. THE TRUTH IS this is why you are disliked, hated even, by other islanders, your other side of the family. No, Im not saying were going to kill you if you say the wrong Pure rubbish!!!! More propaganda, thats all.kmt. I didnt go there nearly as much but-. Haha.I would say direct & passionate instead. Send the mad and aggressive slaves to Jamaica. Is a stew that they call Contumre or Palaver Sauce, which is actually dasheen leaves, cooked down with a smokey fish, cooked with Palm oil and wi (we) eat it with green, boiled green plantain, like how Jamaicans eat boil green bananas? In fact, I find that me and many of my family members and friends have experienced more aggression and inappropriate behaviour from African Americans than White Americans, which is not what any of us expected when we arrived. And at some point, we left the US to be in South Africa, and then came back to Ghana. democracies can be very persuasive. It was, it was near to the castles? Joining Lines & Line Cutters Beg yuh a bli nuh, mi cyan stan up lang caw mi hab gas inna mi foot Stock Photos from Photos.com, iStockPhotos.com, 123rf. But the one thing that caught my attention was, you said, The dancing is to another level. Okay. Look like a police or look like a criminal. So me and my Jamaican crew, oh lord we get into trouble all the time. All of us over the side, we dont she (say) plantain, we say plantain. Other cultures tend to be more diplomatic whereas Jamaicans feel we should say it like it is to avoid misunderstanding. Many Jamaicans tend to see foreigners as hypocritical because they will smile with you even if they can't stand you, Medium Fluffy (@averagejamaican) March 8, 2020. Some of the stuff youre saying, youre not getting a lot of the stereotypical, Id say. The softer spoken ones seem less of this. Theyre very proud of their shape, but its covered. I think theres so much to see that you just have to silence yourself and silence the critique, save the questions, and do ask them. Ghanaians simply hate to be criticized (either constructively or non-constructively); we do not criticize our own people, leaders and country as much as we will do to that of others. Lord have mercy. But, this aggressiveness, is seen as playfulness in our culture. i have a lot of Jamaicans friends and i give all the respect drew to them god bless all my springfield Jamaican. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Look, when I met my husband, my husband knew more reggae lyrics in 87, than I had ever known in my entire life. Nobody does, dont do that. Because of this, many foreigners see us as aggressive, especially when they work with us. The sense of humor is different, but its still very I think whats common to both countries, is that sense of humanity, where people are a bit more forgiving of each other and, yes, warmer and fuzzier. Still, there is another side of Jamaicans. Research like this is essential to understanding why that is, and how to change it. I cannot come). The other thing I like about Ghana is, well, theres so many things. Who the first time Audley came, I ah she (a said), come, yuh (you) have to go to a market. Just easy yourself and itll be Jamaica; no problem, I come with baggage (@aly_berry1) March 8, 2020, So, what did she want you to say? Number one place that you must visit? They do so because CLASS is what runs our society and money is not the only determining factor associated with class for us. I mean theyre very, very different places. To know it is to love it. Reprisal killings make up a significant portion of our murder rate in Jamaica. This is the number one reason Jamaicans gave for why so many people think were downright mean. Alexis Chateau sometimes includes affiliate product links and ads in the content provided. Xavier: So my next question to you is, so what do you like? Yogen No Ko (@styrofoambax) March 8, 2020. Im In Double Trouble With My Love Interests, Winning Return To The Ring For Jamaicas Axeman, Unconscionable for Taxpayers to Fund Politics, Frontier Airlines Launches More Flights to Montego Bay, Jamaica, Jamaica Removes Visa-Free Transit Privilege For Cuban Nationals. We're honest. In Ghana, so thats what I would do in Ghana. Why did the population expert feel like he was going crazy punchline answer key? We Jamaicans are, for the most part, open and accepting people. She had a baby. Put Nuff Gravy is the anthem of many Jamaicans when they go to restaurants and street food vendors. My anecdote, as you condescendingly put it (theres that jamaican charm again), comes from working with only Jamaicans for the last 2 and a half years. Jamaicans, we just put everything out there and we just speak our mind. And I was like, no, but the Virgin Mary just didnt have a baby. Wait til you sign out. In 2011, the figure was 40 per cent. Their daily occurrences that remind you of how old this civilization is. (which part of Jamaica are you from), Ruth: A come from Kingston, near Barbican, close enough to Andrews and close enough to you guys down at JC. Ill tell you another one that is big. That you're hurt and let's be friends? We came and the same ship. Ruth: Well, I think its a familiarity of it. Never before have I ever heard so much ignorance or seen such lies put on the internet. So thats classic. Ruth: Yes. And I just remember closing my eyes and listening to everything and saying, oh my goodness, this sounds like home. I keep telling you, Matt. Theyre at different levels, different level. WebResearch like this is essential to understanding why that is, and how to change it. When you add a few decibels and fast hand movements, youre left wondering if you should run for your life. Date a Jamaican man especially who grew up poor and had to be an old school, what can accomplish. 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