Youre very young. Limn: Exactly. so mute its almost in another year. Then in 2018, she published a brilliant essay called "Complicating the Narratives," which she opened by confessing a professional existential crisis. So its a very special place. But at a deeper level, she says, we are trapped in a pattern of distress known as high conflict where the conflict itself has become the point, and it sweeps everything into its vortex. Replenishment and invigoration in your inbox. I dont know why this, but this. And I remember reading it was Elizabeth Bishops. And I found it really useful, a really useful tool to go back in and start to think about what was just no longer true, or maybe had never been true. The truth is, Ive never cared for the National, Anthem. You boiled it down. Tippett: I chose a couple of poems that you wrote again that kind of speak to this. Between But I think the biggest thing for me is to begin with silence. I was actually born at home. Limn: I love it. Yeah. Return like a word, long forgotten and maligned. Yeah. lover, come back to the five-and-dime. And I think there was a part of me that felt like so much of what I had read up until then was meant to instruct or was meant to offer wisdom. We journalists, she wrote, can summon outrage in five words or less. And I hope, I dont think anybody here will mind. But you said I dont know, I just happened to be I saw you again today. the world walking in, ready to be ravaged, open for business. So I think were going to just have a lot of poetry tonight. But if you look at even the letters we use in our the A actually was initially a drawing of an ox, and M was water. And also Im so happy to be together with you in the old-fashioned flesh, which we no longer take for granted. Limn: Yeah. And I feel like theres a level of mystery thats allowed in the poem that feels like, Okay, I can maybe read this into it, I can put myself into it, and it becomes sort of its own thing. To be made whole/ by being not a witness,/ but witnessed. Can you say a little bit about that? We are located on Dakota land. Okay. And enough so that actually, as I would always sort of interrogate her about her beliefs and, Do you think this, do you think that? I trust those moments where it feels like, Oh, right, this is a weird. Language is strange, and its evolving. So would you read, its called Before, page 46. And that there was this break when we moved from pictographic language, which is characters which directly refer to the things spoken, and when we moved to the phonetic alphabet. Because how do we care for one another? Wilkerson, winner of the Pulitzer Prize and the National Humanities Medal, has become a leading figure in narrative nonfiction with The Warmth of Other Suns and Caste. , and she teaches in the MFA program at Queens University of Charlotte, in North Carolina. A few years ago, Krista hosted an event in Detroit a city in flux on the theme of raising children. And if I had to condense you as a poet into a couple of words, I actually think youre about and these are words you use also wholeness and balance. [Music: Molerider by Blue Dot Sessions]. No, question marks. edges of the world, smudged by mist, a squirrels. Find Krista Tippett's email address, contact information, LinkedIn, Twitter, other social media and more. Suppose its easy to slip And I think about that all the time. And that feels like its an active thing as opposed to a finished thing, a closed thing. It feels important to me, right now, because I want to talk to you about this a little bit, what weve been through. These, it turns out, are as common in human life globally as they are measurably health-giving and immunity-boosting. the ground and the feast is where I live now. And I was having this moment where I kept being like, Well, if I just deeply look at the world like I do, as poets do, I will feel a sense of belonging. letter on the dresser, enough of the longing and Can you locate that? Only my head is for you. Its wonderful. And then you can also be like, Im a little anxious about this thing thats happening next week. Or all of these things, it makes room for all of those things. Kalliopeia Foundation. Poems all come to me differently. Krista Tippett. And then Ill say this, that the Library of Congress, theyre amazing, and the Librarian of Congress, Dr. Carla Hayden, had me read this poem, so. And were at a new place, but we have to carry and process that. Tippett: So the poem you wrote, Joint Custody. You get asked to read it. that thered be nothing left in you, like In all kinds of lives, in all kinds of places, they are healers and social creatives. inward and the looking up, enough of the gun, the drama, and the acquaintances suicide, the long-lost, letter on the dresser, enough of the longing and, the ego and the obliteration of ego, enough, of the mother and the child and the father and the child, and enough of the pointing to the world, weary. She is a former host of the poetry podcast. Its repeating words. Were back at the natural world of metaphors and belonging. We read for sense. And then thats also the space for us to sort of walk in as a reader being like, Whats happening here? And whats good for my body and my mental health. All of those things. I have your books, and theres some, too. A season of big, new, beautiful On Being conversations is here. Before the dogs chain. Limn: Oh, thank you. So Im hoping. I think I enjoy getting older. Limn: Yeah. s wisdom and her poetry a refreshing, full-body experience of how this way with words and sound and silence teaches us about being human at all times, but especially now. July 4, 2022 9:00 am. Before I bury him, I snap a photo and beg, my brother and my husband to witness this, nearly clear body. Sometimes it sounds, sometimes its image, sometimes its a note from a friend with the word lover. The Pause is our Saturday morning ritual of a newsletter. It sends us back to work with the raw materials of our lives, understanding that these are always the materials even of change at a cosmic or a societal level. I am a hearth of spiders these days: a nest of trying. And also that phrase, as Ive aged. You say that a lot and I would like to tell you that you have a lot more aging to do. Theres this poem which Ive never heard anybody ask you to read called Where the Circles Overlap, Tippett: In The Hurting Kind. And if you cant have hope, I think we need a little awe, or a little wonder, or at least a little curiosity. Find them at, Dedicated to reconnecting ecology, culture, and spirituality. People will ask me a lot about my process and it is, like I said, silence. I think thats very true. Ive got a bone Yeah. Just uncertainty is so hard on our bodies. A season of big, new, beautiful On Being conversations is here. And its always an interesting question because I feel like my process changes and I change. @KristaTippett is the host of @OnBeing podcast and a NYTimes bestselling author. The one that always misses where Im not, When you find a song or you find something and you think, This. And if its weekly, theres a day of the week and you do it. And its continual and that it hits you sometimes. SHARE. So its a very special place. Just the title of this, I feel is such an invitation and not the kind of invitation that was being made. I almost think that this poem could be used as a meditation. I am asking you to touch me. Im like, Yes. We can forget this. I was so fascinated when I read the earlier poem. Yeah, I think theres so much value in grief. rolling their trash bins out, after all of this is over? And Im sure it does for many of you, where you start to think about a phrase or a word comes to you and youre like, Is that a word? Youre like, With. (Unedited) The Dalai Lama, Jonathan Sacks, Katharine Jefferts Schori, and Seyyed Hossein Nasr with Krista Tippett. I was like, Oh. Then I came downstairs and I was like, Lucas, Im never going to get to be Poet Laureate.. What would happen if we used our bodies to bargain. with their fish tanks or eight-tracks or Tippett: That just took me back to this moment in the pandemic where I took so many walks in my neighborhood that Ive lived in for so many years and saw things Id never seen before, including these massive Just suddenly looking down where the trees were and seeing and understanding, just really having this moment where I understood that its their neighborhood and Im living in it. We can forget this. Page 40. cigarette smoke or expertise in recipes or, reading skills. We read for sense. So I think there was a lot of, not only was it music, but then it was music in Spanish. And the one Id love you to read is Not the Saddest Thing in the World. This is the one where I felt like theres subtlety to it, but you just named so much in there. into anothers, that sounds like a match being lit She loves human beings. The podcast's foundation is the same as the groundbreaking radio concept. Now, somethings, breaking always on the skyline, falling over But let me say, I was taken and desperate, enough of the brutal and the border, enough of can you see me, can you hear me, enough. And that between space was the only space that really made sense to me. And it often falls apart from me. The On Being Project Actually, thats in. Limn: I do think I enjoy it. [laughter]. I grew up in Glen Ellen in Sonoma, California, born and raised. even the tenacious high school band off key. As . You boiled it down. With an unexpected and exuberant mix of gravity and laughter laughter of delight, and of blessed relief this conversation holds not only what we have traversed these last years, but how we live forward. And place is always place. and then, The On Being Project is located on Dakota land. Enough of osseous and chickadee and sunflower. Flipboard. So I think thats where, for me, I found any sort of sense of spirituality or belonging. We nurture virtues that build muscle memory towards sustained new realities including generous listening, embodied presence, and transformative relationship across backgrounds and lived experience. Sometimes youre, and so much of its. If you think about it, its not a good, song. Sometimes youre, and so much of its. In the modern western world, vocation was equated with work. We touch each other. The truth is, Ive never cared for the National Yeah. We literally. for the safety of others, for earth, Limn: Yeah. So in The Carrying, there are these two poems on facing pages, that both have fire in the title. God, which I dont think were going to get to talk about today. And this particular poem was written after the 2017 fires in my home valley of Sonoma. And then I would say in terms of the sacred, it was always the natural world. But I want you to read it second, because what I found in Bright Dead Things, which was a couple of years before that, certainly pre-pandemic, in the before times, was the way you wrote, a way that you spoke of the same story of yourself. I write. You should take a nap.. So I want to do two more, also from The Carrying. Tippett: Its that Buddhist, the finger pointing at the moon, right? Transcription by Alletta Cooper Krista Tippett: I really believe that poetry is something we humans need almost as much as we need water and air. We were so focused on survival and illness and vaccines and bad news. Her presence on that stage was electric. And I want you to read it. And then what we find in the second poem is a kind of evolution. I think I trusted its unknowing and its mystery in a way that I distrusted maybe other forms of writing up until then. Youll see why in a minute. All came, and still comes, from the natural world. So my interest, when I get into conversation with a poet, is not to talk about poetry, but to delve into what this way with words and sound and silence teaches us about being fully human this adventure were all on that is by turns treacherous and heartbreaking and revelatory and wondrous. But I also feel a little bit out of practice with this live event thing. The next-generation marine biologist Ayana Elizabeth Johnson would let that reality of belonging show us the way forward. body. And you mentioned that when you wrote this, when was it that you wrote it? And I would just have these whole moments when people would be like, Oh, and then well meet in person. And I was like, , I dont want you to witness my body. Tippett: And we were given to remember that civilization is built on something so tender as bodies breathing in proximity to other bodies. Our lovely theme music is provided and composed by Zo Keating. And now we have watched it in these 25 years go from strength, to strength, to strength. the Red River Gorge, the fistful of land left But the song didnt mean anything, just a call, to the field, something to get through before, the pummeling of youth. about being fully human this adventure were all on that is by turns treacherous and heartbreaking and revelatory and wondrous. And so I think my investigation or my curiosity is not so much talking about poetry, but about where poetry comes from in us and what poetry works in us. Dacher Keltner and his Greater Good Science Center at Berkeley have been pivotal in this emergence. A special offering from Krista Tippett and all of us at On Being: an incredible, celebratory event listening back and remembering forwards across 20 years of this show in the good company of our beloved friend and former guest, Rev. And its continual and that it hits you sometimes. And the Q has the tail of a monkey, and weve forgotten this. We are located on Dakota land. Out here, theres a bowing even the trees are doing. But in the present era of tribalism, it feels like weve reached our collective limitations Again and again, we have escalated the conflict and snuffed the complexity out of the conversation.. Limn: Yeah. Kind of true. But I do think youre a bit of a So the thing is, we have this phrase, old and wise. But the truth is that a lot of people just grow old, it doesnt necessarily come with it. And now Tippett has done it again. Krista Tippett (ne Weedman; born November 9, 1960) is an American journalist, author, and entrepreneur. [laughter] Sometimes its just staring out the window. Im really longing I realized as I was preparing for this, Im just Of course, I read poetry, I read a lot of poetry in these last years, but I realized Im craving hearing poetry. not forgetting and star bodies and frozen birds, Tippett: Just back to this idea that there is this organic automatically breathing thing of which were part, and that we even have to rediscover that. My body is for me.. Yeah. On Being is an independent nonprofit production of The On Being Project. One of the most fascinating developments of our time is that human qualities we have understood in terms of virtue experiences weve called spiritual are now being taken seriously by science as intelligence as elements of human wholeness. And this poem was basically a list of all the poems I didnt think I could write, because it was the early days of the pandemic, and I kept thinking, just that poetry had kind of given up on me, I guess. Or theres just something happens and you get all of a sudden for it to come flooding back. The fear response, the stress response, it had so many other kinds of ripple effects that were so perplexing. Jen Bailey, and so many of you. And thought, How am I right now at this moment? Okay. Yeah. I will say this poem began I was telling you how poems begin and sometimes with sounds, sometimes with images This was a sound of, you know when everyone rolls out their recycling at the same time. But I think there was something deeper going on there, which was that idea of, Oh, this is when you pack up and you move. And I even had a pet mouse named Fred, which you would think I wouldve had a more creative name for the mouse, but his name was Fred. I love that you do this. We elevate voices of wisdom and models of wise thinking, speaking, and living. And its a very interesting thing to be a kid that goes back and forth, and Im sure many people have this experience or have had that experience, where youre moving from one home to another. I really love . Good conflict. Technology and vitality. Musings and tools to take into your week. Oh, definitely. reading skills. And together you kind of have this relationship. Which I hadnt had before. Look, we are not unspectacular things. I want to say first of all, how happy I am to be doing something with Milkweed, which I have known since I moved to Minnesota, I dont know, over a quarter century ago, to be this magnificent but quiet, local publisher. The poets brain is always like that, but theres a little I was just doing the wash, and I was like, Casual, warm, and normal. And I was like, Ooh, I could really go for that.. even the tenacious high school band off key. Groundbreaking Peabody Award-winning conversation about the big questions of meaning, hosted by Krista Tippett. Our lovely theme music is provided and composed by Zo Keating. Its the thing that keeps us alive. But when we talk about the limitations of language in general, I find language is so strange. The Fetzer Institute, supporting a movement of organizations applying spiritual solutions to societys toughest problems. Amanda Ripley began her life as a journalist covering crime, disaster, and terrorism. I remember having this experience I was sort of very deeply alone during the early days of the pandemic when my husbands work brought him to another state. Oh, thank you. And I was feeling very isolated. I think this poem, for me, is very much about learning to find a home and a sense of belonging in a world where being at peace is actually frowned upon. Becoming whole, she teaches, is not about eradicating our wounds and weaknesses; rather, the way we deal with losses, large and small, shapes our capacity to be present to all of our experiences. If you would like to hear an uplifting message at a time of global difficulty, come hear Krista Tippett speak at Central Congregational Church in Providence RI at 6:30 pm, Saturday, December 3. Tippett: I love that. Every Thursday a new discovery about the immensity of our lives and frequent special features like poetry, music and Q + A with Krista. Krista interviewed her in 2015, and it quickly became a much-loved show as her voice was just rising in common life. Before the road thats sung in silence when its too hard to go on, Thats how this machine works. They bring us together with others, again and again. So I want to do two more, also from. Shes written six books of poetry, most recently, The Hurting Kind. And I feel like its very interesting when you actually have to get away from it, because you can also do the other thing where you focus too much on the breath. The On Being Project The Hearthland Foundation. Maybe that speaks for itself. Krista Tippett is the creator and host of the On Being and Becoming Wise podcasts as well as curator of The Civil Conversations Project. I think I enjoy getting older. And it was an incredible treat to interview her before 1,000 people, packed together in a concert hall on a cold Minnesota night. Okay, Im going to give you some choices. And I think when were talking about this, were talking about who we are right now, because were all carrying this. And sometimes when youre going through it, you can kind of see the mono-crop of vineyards that its become. 10 distinct works Similar authors. Like, Oh, take a deep breath. Then we get annoyed when it works, too. I love it that youre already thinking that. and gloss. I wrote in my notes, just my little note about what this was about, recycling and the meaning of it all. I dont think thats . Limn: And I love it, but I think that you go to it, as a poet, in an awareness of not only its limitations and its failures, but also very curious about where you can push it in order to make it into a new thing. And so, its so hard to speak of, to honor, to mark in this culture. Tippett: You said a minute ago that the poetry has breath built into it, and you said also that, you have said: its meant to make us breathe. What was it? Starting Thursday, February 2: three months of soaring new On Being conversations, with an eye towards emergence. Tippett: Okay. The wonder of biomimicry. Tippett: I dont expect you to have the page number memorized. Draco, Lacerta, Hydra, Lyra, Lynx. So how to get out? Definitely. Perhaps I mean, thats how we read. And so I have enough of the animal saving me, enough of the high I will say this poem began I was telling you how poems begin and sometimes with sounds, sometimes with images This was a sound of, you know when everyone rolls out their recycling at the same time. Here it is again as an offering for Mothers Day in a world still and again in flux, and where the matter of raising new human beings feels as complicated as ever before. And the Lilly Endowment, an Indianapolis-based, private family foundation dedicated to its founders interests in religion, community development, and education. And I kept thinking how I missed all my family, and I missed my father and his wife, and I missed my mother and stepfather. Every week, the show hosts thoughtful . I just set my wash settings to who Id like to be in 2023: Casual, Warm, Normal., Yeah, that was true. And its funny to tell people that youre raised an atheist because theyre like, Really? But I was. enough of the will to go on and not go on or how I am human, enough I am alone and I am desperate, enough of the animal saving me, enough of the high. Subscribe to the live your best life newsletter Sign up for the oprah.com live your best life newsletter Get more stories like this delivered to your inbox Get updates on your favorite . Its the . So well just be on an adventure together. Yeah. Yeah, it was completely unnatural. Yeah. And thought, How am I right now at this moment? Okay. Tippett: Because I couldnt decide which ones I wanted you to read. Copyright 2023, And if youd like to know more, we suggest you start with our. You said there in a place, as Ive aged, I have more time for tenderness, for the poems that are so earnest they melt your spine a little. I feel like I could hear that response, right? the ego and the obliteration of ego, enough I grew up in Glen Ellen in Sonoma, California, born and raised. I wrote it and then I immediately sent it to an editor whos a friend of mine and said, I dont know if you want this. And it was up the next day on the website. enough of can you see me, can you hear me, enough And for us, it was Sundays. I feel like theres so many elements to that discovery. Tippett: And also, I read somewhere that Sundays were a day that you were moving back and forth between your two homes, your parents divorced and everybody remarried. So you get to have this experience with language that feels somewhat disjointed, and in that way almost feels like, Oh, this makes more sense as the language for our human experience than, lets say, a news report.. I almost think that this poem could be used as a meditation. And poetry doesnt really allow you to do that because its working in the smallest units of sound and syllable and clause and line break and then the sentence. has an unsung third stanza, something brutal Funny thing about grief, its hold Exit [laughs] And its a very interesting thing to be a kid that goes back and forth, and Im sure many people have this experience or have had that experience, where youre moving from one home to another. We hold each other. Two entirely different brains. , which was a couple of years before that, certainly pre-pandemic, in the before times, was the way you wrote, a way that you spoke of the same story of yourself. (Always, always there is war and bombs.) And poetry is absolutely this is not something I knew would happen when I started this but poetry now is at the heart of. Journalist, National Humanities Medalist, and bestselling author Krista Tippett has created a singular space for reflection and conversation in American and global public life. Amanda Ripley began her life as a journalist covering crime, disaster, and terrorism. It is still the river. water, enough sorrow, enough of the air and its ease, So at this point in my notes, I have three words in bold with exclamation points. Each of us imprints the people in the world around us . I could. And I was in the backyard by myself, as many of us were by ourselves. I think coming back to this idea that poetry is as embodied as it is linguistic. Krista Tippett is a Peabody-award winning broadcaster, National Humanities Medalist, and New York Times bestselling author. And so I gave up on it. Its Spanish and English, and Im trying, and Ill look at him and be like, How much degrees is it?, And hes like, Are you trying to ask me what the weather is?. And honestly, this feels to me like if I were teaching a college class, I would have somebody read this poem and say, Discuss.. Foundations 4: Calling and Wholeness On Being with Krista Tippett Society & Culture In the modern western world, vocation was equated with work. I do think I enjoy it. the high notes with a beer sloshing in the stands Tippett: Thats so wonderful. We get curious, we interrogate, and we ask over and over again. I could be both an I Tippett: So I love it when I feel like the conversations Im having start to be in conversation with each other. An electric conversation with Ada Limns wisdom and her poetry a refreshing, full-body experience of how this way with words and sound and silence teaches us about being human at all times, but especially now. Before the apple tree. Ada Limn reads her poem, "Dead Stars.". Limn: Yeah. unpoisoned, the song thats our birthright. So you grew up in Sonoma, California, but my sense is that its not the land of Zinfandel and Pinot Noir that immediately comes to mind now when someone says Sonoma. 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